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A new Type of Story? 
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Henchman

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Post A new Type of Story?
I have had this request before, and really do not expect to get any response of quality, but having now browsed this sight extensively I thought I'd make it.

I am curious if any of the digital artist/writers can find any desire at all to lay off the tease and actually have an erotic story line.

What I mean is, I see the Author BC is prolific as ever, I do not even read those stories because #1 they are good but more importantly, it's the same story cranked out time and again. The Formula seldom, if ever changes (Capture heroine, knock out heroine, ALMOST do something to heroine, Bad guy does something stupid, heroine gets away before anything bad happens..repeat)

So Request: Can a story be written where the bad guys are not dead rotting flesh, are not horribly disfigured, and who can actually triumph... Is this a bad request?


Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:36 pm
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Post Re: A new Type of Story?
Hello!

At first time I'm sorry if I sound a little rude but...

I've a great respect for BC, I consider him a "virtual" friend trough the net and a good writer. I can be possible that his stories seem similar between them, but at least he writes, if it's so simply for you... where are your greatest stories?

I suppose that you are not a member of the webpage, because there, the stories are very rich and very different among them.

Personally I've to say that in my own stories, I've various of different themes... only in one of them the evil have rotting flesh... my villains never are stupid... and they've reasonable reasons to do what they do. If the heroine escapes the development of the char is a great part of the creation work that in some cases takes more time than the comic itself.
I'm sorry but I don't see that superman be killed in the number one, and after years I see the same chars in the sipderman and X-men comics.

And if you can think that you can di better... go on! I'm anxyous to see what are you capable to do.


Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:42 am
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Yes I am afraid you do sound a little rude. Not too much, but I have always been curious why, someone saying they do not like a certain style, should be cause for you to think I do not like BC or I have somehow disrespected him. It is presumptive and well... a little rude.

As for my works, I am currently working on a Wonder Woman collaboration which will go on Md. X's web page, and I have several on The old Grey Archive. I also have several on FurAffinity, that would not fit here as they are not "super heroine"

I have heard all the old endless arguments for "the heroine get's away" and I would be really curious to see you list in BC's stories where he does ANYTHING beyond touchy feely with the nipples. Is he an awesome writer? yes, Does he do really interesting detail? Yes, is he prolific? Oh heavens yes, but in the same way I can like steak, I do not eat it..every single day. I am glad that he is your "virtual friend" and in the 8 to 12 years I have been reading his works, he has never condescended to speak with me. I have a personal dislike of "the tease"

You use examples of Superman, and spiderman, who personally hold no interest for me, they are basically humans who are more or less normal when you take away their powers, unlike say, Tigra, who actually HAS fur and cat abilities, and more interesting to me, feline instincts.

You also mention killing, which, to me, is quite a short sighted author, why KILL when you can corrupt/enslave/use, or hey even RELEASE...hey what a concept, a Mob Boss captures wonderwoman, has his way with her, and....LETS her go because she is not a threat....Wow....

I am glad you like BC, and I think in his comfort zone he writes what he likes and does it well..however it leaves me personally frustrated, that does not mean I disrespect him.

My biggest frustration is stories that take away ALL consequences. Those in which the heroine DOES actually get penetrated, never results in pregnancy (you know the primary REASON a species copulates?) There is not even that possibility....(not every penetration results in pregnancy) there is no psychological effect on the heroine, she just shakes it off and say "Ah ha I have you now!"

So all I am saying is, I have a personal preference and if there are any authors out there with my same interests, know your not alone, do not be discouraged by criticism that your being too graphic...


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Post Re: A new Type of Story?
Sorry for the late response.

Thanks lordgriffin for the feedback!

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Post Re: A new Type of Story?
Your VERY welcome

Finister wrote:
Sorry for the late response.

Thanks lordgriffin for the feedback!


Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:25 pm
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This is a very interesting topic.

I think in regards to erotic stories, differing tastes explain a lot of why some people don't like some stories. When it comes to sex, what is really, really hot and sexy for one person is probably gross, weird or silly for about 70-80% of other people. HIP Comix appeals to one particular set of erotic tastes.

I've said before in the forums how much I like BCs writing. I've never asked him, but given that in all the stories he's written the heroines are never completely sexually violated (i.e. penis in vagina sex), I assume that he has made a decision not to portray this kind of thing. He does write a lot of stories, and I need to get caught up on reading them. I think fans of BC should probably put up a list of what they think are his best stories, since they might get lost in the lesser ones (I'm talking about ALL his stories, not just on this forum). I think Tigress in Deadly Dream Control is my favorite.

If I were to portray my heroines as extremely traumatized when they are abused by villains, I simply wouldn't be able to do these comics at all. For the most part in my comics, the heroines desire the sex that is occuring (albeit the desire is frequently implanted into them by the villains). Unlike BC, I have shown (and will show) heroines being made to have full sex with villains, but only when they desired it. Woman having sex that traumatizes them isn't entertaining (not to me anyway), so I don't show it. Victory City is like a real city, and certainly vicious things happen there, I just don't turn my camara to them :) .

I very much appreciate your point, lordgriffin, about sex and consequences. I've said before in the forums that for an erotic web comic creator, I'm very conservative about sex. I think procreation, and not pleasure, is logically the most important aspect of sex. As nice as orgasms are, you can't have them if Mom and Dad don't conceive you first :) . Unfortunately, it's very tricky to work procreation and childrearing into an action story. I've had ideas for heroines to get pregnant and have children within the story, but I usually figure I have to send them to another dimension where time passes differently so that the eighteen year process of bearing and raising a child happens fast.

Rather than show the usual consequences of sex in my stories, I try to make the sex about something more than just pleasure. Usually it's about the villains using sex to control the heroines, but there are other reasons for the sex also.

I'll just plug my own comic here: In Victory City, Ultra Maxima seduces and has her way with Brickhouse, then let's her go afterwards. If you haven't read Victory City #17-18, lordgriffin, go check it out :) !


Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:33 am
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Post Re: A new Type of Story?
I agree with much of what you say sir.

As someone who likes to write myself, I try to pride myself on 2 things, #1 I try to describe what is happening, rather then TELLING what is happening. the difference is, when you tell someone what is happening, it is a simple statement of fact as you see it (and thats the key as YOU see it) where as in describing something, you state details and the reader is able to paint a picture with a personal twist that they like best (it's one reason that Books are not completely replaced by movies) The second thing I do, and this is what makes writing fun for me, is I try to write in a way that the reader can imply whatever works best for him or her. For example, the difference between r@?3*, and "for--d Seduction" Did Rhet Buttler r@?3* Scarlet O'hare? (Gone with the wind) or did he appeal to her more...base nature and she gave in, wanting it?

So to me that can help a lot with that 70-80% of people who may find it weird, silly or Gross.

The next issue is about traumatizing the female. I suppose this is something where *I* am part of that 70-80% who find it weird, but a large majority of writers (that I have seen) equate r@?3*, with brutality. Beyond any doubt, a rapist can be and often ARE brutal...but it doesn't HAVE to be that way, and take it from a Paramedic (in Real Life) in reality MOST for--d sex in real life, is not brutal..it *IS* manipulative.

As for pregnancy in the heroine, I have found quite a few ways to deal with that. Depending on what YOU like. #1 could be how the villain molds or tries to mold the heroine during her gestation, it doesn't have to be one punch filled episode after another. #2 an alternate heroine or hero who gets a chance they would not have had, if the first heroine had not been knocked out of service, #3 adoption, after the 9 months the child is adopted, #4 the Villain takes the child to raise it, dropping the child from sight for a while. I find it a challenge with WHAT to do, also, the heroine does not have to end up pregnant....She can get lucky but the fellow can still perpetrate the act with the INTENT...

I shall have to see if i can find your stories Thank you for the reply

I think in regards to erotic stories, differing tastes explain a lot of why some people don't like some stories. When it comes to sex, what is really, really hot and sexy for one person is probably gross, weird or silly for about 70-80% of other people. HIP Comix appeals to one particular set of erotic tastes.

I've said before in the forums how much I like BCs writing. I've never asked him, but given that in all the stories he's written the heroines are never completely sexually violated (i.e. penis in vagina sex), I assume that he has made a decision not to portray this kind of thing. He does write a lot of stories, and I need to get caught up on reading them. I think fans of BC should probably put up a list of what they think are his best stories, since they might get lost in the lesser ones (I'm talking about ALL his stories, not just on this forum). I think Tigress in Deadly Dream Control is my favorite.

If I were to portray my heroines as extremely traumatized when they are abused by villains, I simply wouldn't be able to do these comics at all. For the most part in my comics, the heroines desire the sex that is occuring (albeit the desire is frequently implanted into them by the villains). Unlike BC, I have shown (and will show) heroines being made to have full sex with villains, but only when they desired it. Woman having sex that traumatizes them isn't entertaining (not to me anyway), so I don't show it. Victory City is like a real city, and certainly vicious things happen there, I just don't turn my camara to them :) .

I very much appreciate your point, lordgriffin, about sex and consequences. I've said before in the forums that for an erotic web comic creator, I'm very conservative about sex. I think procreation, and not pleasure, is logically the most important aspect of sex. As nice as orgasms are, you can't have them if Mom and Dad don't conceive you first :) . Unfortunately, it's very tricky to work procreation and childrearing into an action story. I've had ideas for heroines to get pregnant and have children within the story, but I usually figure I have to send them to another dimension where time passes differently so that the eighteen year process of bearing and raising a child happens fast.

Rather than show the usual consequences of sex in my stories, I try to make the sex about something more than just pleasure. Usually it's about the villains using sex to control the heroines, but there are other reasons for the sex also.

I'll just plug my own comic here: In Victory City, Ultra Maxima seduces and has her way with Brickhouse, then let's her go afterwards. If you haven't read Victory City #17-18, lordgriffin, go check it out :) ![/quote]


Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:57 am
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Post Re: A new Type of Story?
Greetings lordgriffin,

I can see your perspective regarding how a story is crafted. You bring a unique set of real world skills to this table. You've seen firsthand what happens in the aftermath of a crisis. You've seen how real trauma results from the stupidity of a physical assault.

I've been a fan of various styles of sexually explicit stories. For example, the artists and writers at Josh Lesnick's Slipshine adult website produce adult comics that depict women (and beginning last year, gay men) who enjoy sex, along with a dash of humor. And that's entertaining in its own way. I used to subscribe to it until the stories became boring and repetitive.

In the majority of the stories I've told, I've tended to show consequences and realistic aftermaths from confrontations. However, in the realm of hard SF fiction, it is nearly impossible to depict an unwanted sexual encounter as welcome or humorous. Given that modern science has provided rational means of birth control such as RU 486, ideas such as for--d pregnancies that emotionally savage a victim of unwanted intercourse have more plausible avenues of resolution.

The worst aspect of our line of work is the lack of broad feedback. I seldom see discussions of this level. But I welcome it.

In my case, I write what pleases me. I've had very few complaints. But there are few statistics to our line of work beyond page view counts and subscription stats. So I just keep on with my craft.

I hope you continue with your writing as well.


Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:10 pm
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Post Re: A new Type of Story?
Hey Max Hess:

It seems most people are concentrating on the "consequence' and take that to be PHYSICAL consequences. While there are pills like RU 486, those pills have die effects and does the moralistic heroine feel that the use of that pill is mortally ok? What is her psychological state after the act?

I agree with the lack of feed back, but your hitting on the main point, things get repetitive, One of the earlier replies the author wrote that they do not write the heroine getting pregnant because she doesn't LIKE it, I have always found the mark of a Great Author to be, writing what makes sense, and letting the story write ITSELF...instead of forcing personal views in it.

I write what pleases me, but sometimes I also write what is LOGICAL


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I agree with Lord Griffin that birth control and abortion do not solve the problem of sex. Sex is really complicated because it is intrisically about procreation, but its deeply personal beyond that. I'm not a woman, but I don't think most women, in general, are interested in having lots of sex and just using technology to eliminate the natural consequences. And I think Lord Griffin is right that technology does not remove all the consequences of sex (and if it did it probably wouldn't be a good thing, I don't believe).

Part of the reason I have avoided the issue of procreation in my stories for HIP Comix is that we're not allowed to show children in our comics. I figure the Special Deputies Authority has a big budget and a really good daycare, although I'll never show it because of the restriction against showing children in the comic.

I've somewhat rationalized the lack of procreation in my stories by making my heroines less fertile than usual. My main character Ishtar is a goddess, and her fertility cycle isn't like a mortal woman's. Instead of having a monthly fertility cycle, she has a dimensional fertility cycle, and Earth's dimension is not in her fertile phase. I've also figured that mutants (in my setting) are somewhat less fertile than normal women. In evolutionary terms, they have traded off fertility for greater vigor.

I'm not sure if this is an answer to Lord Griffin's point, but it's just some random thoughts inspired by his post.


Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:18 am
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Mr. Cryptic:

Thank you for at least understanding my POV. I understand what your saying about the restrictions on children, and I do not DISAGREE with those restrictions, however that said, I have always felt that one of teh challenges of a writer *IS* to find creative ways to make a story plausible. if it were east, ANYONE could do it.

here are my feelings on how *I* deal with the procreation part.

First off, is the actual non-consensual sex itself, as we have seen you can get away with that, it's reasonable, and it's fiction. The THREAT of pregnancy, or possibility is also not something we have to avoid.

Should the heroine GET pregnant, the actual term, while her belly swells, and her psychological and physical changes, are not off limits.

The birth itself woudl not NEED to be shown, and can also be explained as, well BAD guys do not like dealing with children... nor does the child have anything the bad guy wants...here you have 2 choices

#1, child exits the scene to the care of a nurse, to be raised (off screen) as the bad guy's heir, or servant (when adult) time jump to later when the child is adult and is now ready for whatever the bad guy planned

#2 Bad guy, wanting to have more fun with the now submissive heroine, sends child away, where child grows to become thenext generation of hero, or heroin...(time jump to adult times)

The later makes a very interesting story as the original bad guy, can either be defeated, or have his own follow on villian that may seek out the now adult...and you have another story.

Does this make any sense?


Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:45 am
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Just a follow on, I forgot, to what Mr Cryptic said. Referring to women not wanting lots of sex if you eliminate the consequences, Mr C, your 200% correct. Just a small example, if a gut found a woman showering from a window across the street, many men woudl drool, watch, quietly, and not have 1 single problem with it, while 99.99% of women who saw a guy showing next to an upstairs window, woudl either complain and TELL the guy to close the drapes, or would call and make a complaint of indecency.

Contrary to what MEN thing, women are not very interested in a guy's junk, the idea that "oh my GOD he's BIG, is porn industry garbage. females are wired different, it's the ACT....it's the "feelings" that drive the female. that's why NC sex IS such a big deal....you force even pleasure on a woman, they feel profoundly out of control, like it's THEIR fault...they should NOT have felt the way the bad guy MADE them feel.

To draw a conclusion, think of a Homophobe, tied up and for--d to climax during Same sex....he is disgusted, he's not supposed to LIKE it, the fact that the actual climax is a purely physiological response, does not enter into it.


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